From birgit.lemcke at systbot.uzh.ch Tue Dec 9 02:39:33 2008 From: birgit.lemcke at systbot.uzh.ch (Birgit Lemcke) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:39:33 +0100 Subject: [Mesquitelist] Balls and Sticks Message-ID: First of all many thanks for providing and developing Mesquite. There is something that I wanted to ask about the tree drawing. I know this is a very personal thing, but I would be extremely happy if it would be possibl,e to show the Balls and Sticks Option also with a square Tree. Perhaps it is possible to implement this. Furthermore I would be interested in calculating correlations of discrete data that contains missing values. Many thanks Birgit ============================= Birgit Lemcke Institut of Systematic Botany University of Zurich Zollikerstrasse 107 CH-8008 Z?rich Switzerland Ph: +41 (0)44 634 8416 mail: birgit.lemcke at systbot.uzh.ch ============================= From rxl5 at psu.edu Tue Dec 9 03:22:44 2008 From: rxl5 at psu.edu (Robert E. Loeb) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:22:44 -0500 Subject: [Mesquitelist] A Simple Question Message-ID: <000c01c959f0$75380b00$5fa82100$@edu> Colleagues, How do you print in Mesquite? As a novice to Mesquite, does anyone teach an introduction to Mesquite Course? Is there a Mesquite for Dummies Handbook? Thanks, Rob Robert Loeb, Ph.D. Kenan Fellow National Tropical Botanical Gardens Associate Professor of Biology and Forestry 116 Swift Building Penn State DuBois College Place DuBois, PA 15801 814-375-4739 814-375-4724 (FAX) Personal Web Site: http://www.personal.psu.edu/rxl5/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mesquiteproject.org/pipermail/mesquitelist/attachments/20081209/8f89248d/attachment.html From birgit.lemcke at systbot.uzh.ch Tue Dec 9 03:55:47 2008 From: birgit.lemcke at systbot.uzh.ch (Birgit Lemcke) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:55:47 +0100 Subject: [Mesquitelist] Fwd: Balls and Sticks References: Message-ID: Hello and thousand times sorry. I just realised that it is possible to do it square. Sorry gain Birgit Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: > Von: Birgit Lemcke > Datum: 9. Dezember 2008 11:39:33 GMT+01:00 > An: MesquiteHelp > Betreff: [Mesquitelist] Balls and Sticks > > First of all many thanks for providing and developing Mesquite. > > There is something that I wanted to ask about the tree drawing. > I know this is a very personal thing, but I would be extremely happy > if it would be possibl,e to show the Balls and Sticks Option also with > a square Tree. > Perhaps it is possible to implement this. > Furthermore I would be interested in calculating correlations of > discrete data that contains missing values. > > Many thanks > > Birgit > > ============================= > Birgit Lemcke > Institut of Systematic Botany > University of Zurich > Zollikerstrasse 107 > CH-8008 Z?rich > Switzerland > Ph: +41 (0)44 634 8416 > mail: birgit.lemcke at systbot.uzh.ch > ============================= > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mesquitelist mailing list > Mesquitelist at mesquiteproject.org > http://mesquiteproject.org/mailman/listinfo/mesquitelist ============================= Birgit Lemcke Institut of Systematic Botany University of Zurich Zollikerstrasse 107 CH-8008 Z?rich Switzerland Ph: +41 (0)44 634 8416 mail: birgit.lemcke at systbot.uzh.ch ============================= From rxl5 at psu.edu Tue Dec 9 07:52:55 2008 From: rxl5 at psu.edu (Robert E. Loeb) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:52:55 -0500 Subject: [Mesquitelist] A Simple Question In-Reply-To: <5A70F575-77AC-4FA3-99BC-BF9A8280B55A@gmail.com> References: <000c01c959f0$75380b00$5fa82100$@edu> <5A70F575-77AC-4FA3-99BC-BF9A8280B55A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002401c95a16$339912e0$9acb38a0$@edu> Brian, Thanks! I will check this out! Best, Rob From: Brian O'Meara [mailto:omeara.brian at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:25 AM To: Robert E. Loeb Cc: Mesquitelist at mesquiteproject.org Subject: Re: [Mesquitelist] A Simple Question Intro to Mesquite is covered a bit in the Bodega Bay Course in Applied Phylogenetics (). Best, Brian O'Meara On Dec 9, 2008, at 6:22 AM, Robert E. Loeb wrote: Colleagues, How do you print in Mesquite? As a novice to Mesquite, does anyone teach an introduction to Mesquite Course? Is there a Mesquite for Dummies Handbook? Thanks, Rob Robert Loeb, Ph.D. Kenan Fellow National Tropical Botanical Gardens Associate Professor of Biology and Forestry 116 Swift Building Penn State DuBois College Place DuBois, PA 15801 814-375-4739 814-375-4724 (FAX) Personal Web Site: http://www.personal.psu.edu/rxl5/ _______________________________________________ Mesquitelist mailing list Mesquitelist at mesquiteproject.org http://mesquiteproject.org/mailman/listinfo/mesquitelist -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mesquiteproject.org/pipermail/mesquitelist/attachments/20081209/f4f817e5/attachment.html From jschulte at clarkson.edu Tue Dec 9 08:11:46 2008 From: jschulte at clarkson.edu (James Schulte) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:11:46 -0500 Subject: [Mesquitelist] sampling and resampling Message-ID: <85E05E65-A3AD-4612-9245-0C2282E6B7AC@clarkson.edu> Hello Mesquite Users, I have a general inquiry as well as perhaps a specific request for future versions of Mesquite. I have a multigene dataset with 7 nuclear genes, all of which are over 1200 bp and a few between 2-3 kb. What I would like to do is to test alternative strategies of data sampling for large multiple nuclear gene based projects. That is, is it better to get lots (>10) of smaller gene fragments (~<700 bp) or use fewer (<10) larger gene fragments (~>1200) to reconstruct a robustly supported tree for a particular group. What I would like to do is to take my dataset with 7 genes and ~11500 bp and rarefy it to make several new datasets that are composed of difference sized rarefied "genes". So, for example, I would like to make 100 new datasets, each 10000 bp that are made up of twenty 500bp "fragments/gene regions" from the larger dataset. Or make 100 datasets 10kb that are each made up of five 2000 bp "fragments/gene regions". At the moment, I can make a single set of 100 datasets with a "gene" of a particular size using the rarefy option and batch architecture but what I haven't been able to figure out, and I'm not sure if Mesquite can do this yet, is if I can easily concatenate those 100 datasets with 100 other datasets of another "gene". I hope this is making at least a little bit of sense and I very much appreciate any advice anyone may have. Best regards, Jim James A. Schulte, II Department of Biology 177 Clarkson Science Center, MRC 5805 8 Clarkson Avenue Clarkson University Potsdam, NY 13699-5805 Phone: 315-268-4401 Fax: 315-268-7118 From wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca Wed Dec 10 17:26:25 2008 From: wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca (Wayne Maddison) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:26:25 -0800 Subject: [Mesquitelist] A Simple Question In-Reply-To: <000c01c959f0$75380b00$5fa82100$@edu> References: <000c01c959f0$75380b00$5fa82100$@edu> Message-ID: You can print using the Print items in the file menu. If you want to save the tree to a graphics file, edit that, and then print, you have two choices. You can use the Save Tree as PDF menu item. Or, you can ask to Print the tree, and then in the Print dialog box as to save to a file. On Mac OS X, you can ask to save to a PDF. This actually tends to produce better results than the Save Tree as PDF menu item, and it's what I use. On Windows, there is a Print to File option in the print dialog, which may or may not save to postscript which can be converted to PDF. Perhaps also there are options to print straight to PDF (I'm not fluent in all versions of Windows). Wayne At 6:22 AM -0500 9.12.2008, Robert E. Loeb wrote: >Content-type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="Boundary_(ID_wSIQRyqAM8lkeGN0iH/w2Q)" >Content-language: en-us > >Colleagues, > >How do you print in Mesquite? > >As a novice to Mesquite, does anyone teach an introduction to >Mesquite Course? Is there a Mesquite for Dummies Handbook? > >Thanks, >Rob > >Robert Loeb, Ph.D. > >Kenan Fellow >National Tropical Botanical Gardens > >Associate Professor of Biology and Forestry >116 Swift Building >Penn State DuBois >College Place >DuBois, PA 15801 >814-375-4739 >814-375-4724 (FAX) >Personal Web Site: >http://www.personal.psu.edu/rxl5/ > > >_______________________________________________ >Mesquitelist mailing list >Mesquitelist at mesquiteproject.org >http://mesquiteproject.org/mailman/listinfo/mesquitelist -- -------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Maddison Professor and Canada Research Chair Depts. of Zoology and Botany and Biodiversity Research Centre & Director Beaty Biodiversity Museum 6270 University Boulevard University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC V6T 1Z4 Canada email: wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca FAX: +1 604 822-2416 Mesquite: http://mesquiteproject.org MacClade: http://macclade.org Salticidae: http://salticidae.org Tree of Life: http://tolweb.org Beaty Biodiversity Museum: http://beatymuseum.ubc.ca Home page: http://salticidae.org/wpm/home.html From wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca Wed Dec 10 17:26:16 2008 From: wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca (Wayne Maddison) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:26:16 -0800 Subject: [Mesquitelist] Fwd: Balls and Sticks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This isn't an obvious feature, so just to help others find it, here's how Birgit did it: Choose Balls & Sticks as your Tree Form under Drawing. Then use the Line Style submenu under Drawing. Wayne At 12:55 PM +0100 9.12.2008, Birgit Lemcke wrote: >Hello and thousand times sorry. > >I just realised that it is possible to do it square. > >Sorry gain > >Birgit > > >Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: > >> Von: Birgit Lemcke >> Datum: 9. Dezember 2008 11:39:33 GMT+01:00 >> An: MesquiteHelp >> Betreff: [Mesquitelist] Balls and Sticks >> >> First of all many thanks for providing and developing Mesquite. >> >> There is something that I wanted to ask about the tree drawing. >> I know this is a very personal thing, but I would be extremely happy >> if it would be possibl,e to show the Balls and Sticks Option also with >> a square Tree. >> Perhaps it is possible to implement this. >> Furthermore I would be interested in calculating correlations of >> discrete data that contains missing values. >> >> Many thanks >> >> Birgit >> >> ============================= >> Birgit Lemcke >> Institut of Systematic Botany >> University of Zurich >> Zollikerstrasse 107 >> CH-8008 Z?rich >> Switzerland >> Ph: +41 (0)44 634 8416 >> mail: birgit.lemcke at systbot.uzh.ch >> ============================= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mesquitelist mailing list >> Mesquitelist at mesquiteproject.org >> http://mesquiteproject.org/mailman/listinfo/mesquitelist > >============================= >Birgit Lemcke >Institut of Systematic Botany >University of Zurich >Zollikerstrasse 107 >CH-8008 Z?rich >Switzerland >Ph: +41 (0)44 634 8416 >mail: birgit.lemcke at systbot.uzh.ch >============================= > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Mesquitelist mailing list >Mesquitelist at mesquiteproject.org >http://mesquiteproject.org/mailman/listinfo/mesquitelist -- -------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Maddison Professor and Canada Research Chair Depts. of Zoology and Botany and Biodiversity Research Centre & Director Beaty Biodiversity Museum 6270 University Boulevard University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC V6T 1Z4 Canada email: wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca FAX: +1 604 822-2416 Mesquite: http://mesquiteproject.org MacClade: http://macclade.org Salticidae: http://salticidae.org Tree of Life: http://tolweb.org Beaty Biodiversity Museum: http://beatymuseum.ubc.ca Home page: http://salticidae.org/wpm/home.html From wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca Wed Dec 10 17:26:31 2008 From: wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca (Wayne Maddison) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:26:31 -0800 Subject: [Mesquitelist] sampling and resampling In-Reply-To: <85E05E65-A3AD-4612-9245-0C2282E6B7AC@clarkson.edu> References: <85E05E65-A3AD-4612-9245-0C2282E6B7AC@clarkson.edu> Message-ID: This could probably done by scripting, but it would be complex. I'll look into the possibility of a new module that could supply a matrix that is the concatenation of other matrices, and it would be up to you to choose rarefactions for those other matrices. If it's easy to make, then this new module may be available within the next month or two. Wayne At 11:11 AM -0500 9.12.2008, James Schulte wrote: >Hello Mesquite Users, > >I have a general inquiry as well as perhaps a specific request for >future versions of Mesquite. > >I have a multigene dataset with 7 nuclear genes, all of which are >over 1200 bp and a few between 2-3 kb. What I would like to do is to >test alternative strategies of data sampling for large multiple >nuclear gene based projects. That is, is it better to get lots (>10) >of smaller gene fragments (~<700 bp) or use fewer (<10) larger gene >fragments (~>1200) to reconstruct a robustly supported tree for a >particular group. > >What I would like to do is to take my dataset with 7 genes and ~11500 >bp and rarefy it to make several new datasets that are composed of >difference sized rarefied "genes". So, for example, I would like to >make 100 new datasets, each 10000 bp that are made up of twenty 500bp >"fragments/gene regions" from the larger dataset. Or make 100 >datasets 10kb that are each made up of five 2000 bp "fragments/gene >regions". At the moment, I can make a single set of 100 datasets with >a "gene" of a particular size using the rarefy option and batch >architecture but what I haven't been able to figure out, and I'm not >sure if Mesquite can do this yet, is if I can easily concatenate >those 100 datasets with 100 other datasets of another "gene". > >I hope this is making at least a little bit of sense and I very much >appreciate any advice anyone may have. > >Best regards, >Jim > > >James A. Schulte, II >Department of Biology >177 Clarkson Science Center, MRC 5805 >8 Clarkson Avenue >Clarkson University >Potsdam, NY 13699-5805 >Phone: 315-268-4401 >Fax: 315-268-7118 > >_______________________________________________ >Mesquitelist mailing list >Mesquitelist at mesquiteproject.org >http://mesquiteproject.org/mailman/listinfo/mesquitelist -- -------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Maddison Professor and Canada Research Chair Depts. of Zoology and Botany and Biodiversity Research Centre & Director Beaty Biodiversity Museum 6270 University Boulevard University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC V6T 1Z4 Canada email: wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca FAX: +1 604 822-2416 Mesquite: http://mesquiteproject.org MacClade: http://macclade.org Salticidae: http://salticidae.org Tree of Life: http://tolweb.org Beaty Biodiversity Museum: http://beatymuseum.ubc.ca Home page: http://salticidae.org/wpm/home.html From michel.laurin at upmc.fr Thu Dec 11 00:09:59 2008 From: michel.laurin at upmc.fr (Michel Laurin) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:09:59 +0100 Subject: [Mesquitelist] Simple question about ordering characters Message-ID: Hello, Does anybody know how to order all characters of a matrix of discrete characters in Mesquite? In MacClade, that could be done from a list of characters, but the equivalent list in Mesquite gives access to probablitiy models (for maximum likelihood analysis), but not ordering schemes (for parsimony), apparently. The only way I have found is to open a tree, trace each character, and then choose ordering. This is not ideal, especially if there are many characters. Sincerely, Michel -- Michel Laurin CNRS UMR 7179 Universit? Paris 6 - Pierre et Marie Curie 4, place Jussieu case 19 75005 Paris FRANCE tel. (33 1) 44 27 36 92 http://tolweb.org/notes/?note_id=3669 From wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca Thu Dec 11 04:33:44 2008 From: wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca (Wayne Maddison) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:33:44 -0800 Subject: [Mesquitelist] Simple question about ordering characters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 9:09 AM +0100 11.12.2008, Michel Laurin wrote: >Hello, > > Does anybody know how to order all >characters of a matrix of discrete characters in >Mesquite? In MacClade, that could be done from a >list of characters, but the equivalent list in >Mesquite gives access to probablitiy models (for >maximum likelihood analysis), but not ordering >schemes (for parsimony), apparently. You need to show the column for parsimony models in this List of Characters window. Select Columns>Current Parsimony Models. Wayne >The only way >I have found is to open a tree, trace each >character, and then choose ordering. This is not >ideal, especially if there are many characters. > > Sincerely, > > Michel >-- >Michel Laurin >CNRS UMR 7179 >Universit? Paris 6 - Pierre et Marie Curie >4, place Jussieu >case 19 >75005 Paris >FRANCE > >tel. (33 1) 44 27 36 92 >http://tolweb.org/notes/?note_id=3669 >_______________________________________________ >Mesquitelist mailing list >Mesquitelist at mesquiteproject.org >http://mesquiteproject.org/mailman/listinfo/mesquitelist -- -------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Maddison Professor and Canada Research Chair Depts. of Zoology and Botany and Biodiversity Research Centre & Director Beaty Biodiversity Museum 6270 University Boulevard University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC V6T 1Z4 Canada email: wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca FAX: +1 604 822-2416 Mesquite: http://mesquiteproject.org MacClade: http://macclade.org Salticidae: http://salticidae.org Tree of Life: http://tolweb.org Beaty Biodiversity Museum: http://beatymuseum.ubc.ca Home page: http://salticidae.org/wpm/home.html From kathleen.miglia at duke.edu Thu Dec 11 07:19:43 2008 From: kathleen.miglia at duke.edu (Kathleen Miglia) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:19:43 -0500 Subject: [Mesquitelist] Exporting a Single Tree Message-ID: Hello Mesquiters, Does anyone know how to export a single tree from a block of trees in nexus or newick format? Thanks in advance. Any help with this is greatly appreciated! Kathleen Kathleen Miglia, PhD Molecular Genetics and Microbiology Duke University Medical Center 234 Jones Research Bldg. Durham, NC 27710 (919) 668-5260 (Office) (919) 684-9096 (Lab) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mesquiteproject.org/pipermail/mesquitelist/attachments/20081211/4e59fbbd/attachment.html From wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca Thu Dec 11 07:47:46 2008 From: wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca (Wayne Maddison) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:47:46 -0800 Subject: [Mesquitelist] Exporting a Single Tree In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The easiest way might be to show the tree in the tree window and choose Copy Tree from the Edit menu Then you can paste it into a text editor and save the file. Otherwise, show the List of Trees for that block, select the row for the tree of interest, then select List>Utilities>Extract Selection as Tree Block. Next choose Export from the File menu, and select Export NEXUS Tree File or Phylip (trees), then the block of interest. Wayne Wayne >Hello Mesquiters, > >Does anyone know how to export a single tree from a block of trees >in nexus or newick format? > >Thanks in advance. Any help with this is greatly appreciated! > >Kathleen > > > > >Kathleen Miglia, PhD >Molecular Genetics and Microbiology >Duke University Medical Center >234 Jones Research Bldg. >Durham, NC 27710 >(919) 668-5260 (Office) >(919) 684-9096 (Lab) > >_______________________________________________ >Mesquitelist mailing list >Mesquitelist at mesquiteproject.org >http://mesquiteproject.org/mailman/listinfo/mesquitelist -- -------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Maddison Professor and Canada Research Chair Depts. of Zoology and Botany and Biodiversity Research Centre & Director Beaty Biodiversity Museum 6270 University Boulevard University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC V6T 1Z4 Canada email: wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca FAX: +1 604 822-2416 Mesquite: http://mesquiteproject.org MacClade: http://macclade.org Salticidae: http://salticidae.org Tree of Life: http://tolweb.org Beaty Biodiversity Museum: http://beatymuseum.ubc.ca Home page: http://salticidae.org/wpm/home.html From wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca Sun Dec 14 21:34:52 2008 From: wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca (Wayne Maddison) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:34:52 -0800 Subject: [Mesquitelist] Export to PDF In-Reply-To: <491832D8.7000403@gmail.com> References: <491832D8.7000403@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry, I had missed your note. Is it possible that the labels are in the pdf, but hidden behind a mask or border? Have you tried choosing to print the page, then printing to a file? That may give better results that the direct Save as PDF function. If you want, email directly to me the pdf that is saved so I can understand the issue better. Wayne At 11:10 AM -0200 10.11.2008, Alejo wrote: >Hi all, > > I'm trying to export a tree in character space and some labels are >out of the graph area, so when exporting to pdf some labels are >incomplete. There is a way to fine tunning the final graphs before save >as pdf? Like >zooming, labels positions, etc? > > > Thanks in advance! > > Alejo > > >-- >Lic. Alejo C. Scarano >Divisi?n Paleontolog?a Vertebrados >Museo de La Plata >Paseo del bosque s/n >B1900FWA La Plata >Argentina >Tel. 54 221 425-7744/9161 int. 147 >Fax 54 221 425-7527 >scarano at museo.fcnym.unlp.edu.ar >_______________________________________________ >Mesquitelist mailing list >Mesquitelist at mesquiteproject.org >http://mesquiteproject.org/mailman/listinfo/mesquitelist -- -------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Maddison Professor and Canada Research Chair Depts. of Zoology and Botany and Biodiversity Research Centre & Director Beaty Biodiversity Museum 6270 University Boulevard University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC V6T 1Z4 Canada email: wmaddisn at interchange.ubc.ca FAX: +1 604 822-2416 Mesquite: http://mesquiteproject.org MacClade: http://macclade.org Salticidae: http://salticidae.org Tree of Life: http://tolweb.org Beaty Biodiversity Museum: http://beatymuseum.ubc.ca Home page: http://salticidae.org/wpm/home.html